Puppy Mill Dogs No Longer Sold via Facebook Marketplace

In response to concerns from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, measures will be put in place to ensure that puppy mill dogs will no longer be sold via Marketplace on Facebook, an action the ASPCA believes will help combat the inhumane puppy mill industry.

Many puppies sold online come from puppy mills and are commonly bred in unsanitary, overcrowded, and often cruel conditions without sufficient veterinary care, food, water, or socialization. As part of its national “No Pet Store Puppies” campaign, the ASPCA worked with Facebook and Oodle, the company that powers Marketplace on Facebook, to restrict online classifieds listing puppy mill dogs for sale from the site.  Through an ongoing removal process, ads listing puppy mill dogs have begun to come down this month. The process was designed to allow users to continue posting dogs available for a nominal adoption or rehoming fee.

“Removing an online platform for the cruel puppy mill industry sets a positive example of corporate citizenship and will help improve the lives of countless dogs,” said ASPCA President and CEO Ed Sayres. “Most consumers are unaware they are perpetuating animal cruelty by purchasing a puppy online, and given the visibility of Marketplace on Facebook, this move has the potential to raise critical awareness about unscrupulous online breeders.”

While facilities that breed puppies for commercial resale through pet stores are required to be licensed and inspected under the federal Animal Welfare Act, puppy mills that sell directly to consumers via the Internet are exempt from any federal oversight. Unregulated internet breeders sell tens of thousands of puppies a year to unsuspecting consumers, and the sale of puppies online has been increasing significantly in recent years as more puppy mill investigations are brought to light. Further, the Internet Crime Complaint Center notes that hundreds of complaints are filed every year from victims who are scammed when buying a dog online.

“Consumers who purchase a puppy from a website run the risk of acquiring an unhealthy animal and often end up with expensive vet bills and broken hearts,” said Cori Menkin, senior director of the ASPCA Puppy Mills Campaign. “We hope additional online retailers and classifieds will follow this example and stop providing a platform for puppy mill sales.”

The ASPCA’s “No Pet Store Puppies” campaign aims to reduce the demand for puppy mill puppies by urging consumers to take an online pledge not to buy any items—including food, supplies or toys—from stores or websites that sell puppies. The ASPCA encourages consumers to adopt a pet from a local shelter or rescue, or, alternatively, seek out a responsible breeder.







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    March 22, 2012 12:00 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Judy

    That’s wonderful news..

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    March 22, 2012 12:00 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Deb

    About time!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:00 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yeah! shared it.

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    March 22, 2012 12:00 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Holly

    yipppeeee

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  • March 22, 2012 12:01 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Susan

    What is the “definition” of a puppy mill ??? It seems there is a very fine line between “responsible breeders” and “puppy mills”… ….

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      March 22, 2012 1:30 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There is no such thing as a responsible breeder.

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        March 22, 2012 2:45 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Bonnie

        *SNORT!* yet another PETA / H$U$ brainwashed person.

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          March 22, 2012 5:54 pmPosted 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. I don’t support PETA or HSUS. BUT, I do care that animals are being euthanized every day because there are not enough homes for them.

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            March 22, 2012 7:43 pmPosted 2 years ago
            Bonnie

            Patty, why are you hiding behind “Anonymous”? I have already managed to expose you as a PETA / H$U$ nut. The least you could do is not HIDE.

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        March 22, 2012 3:33 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        anyone who only breeds one litter at a time and only if they have people ready to love the puppies is responsible so what are the odds

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      March 23, 2012 1:39 amPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Responsible breeders wouldn’t have ads on the web. Or in classifieds. They have very few litters a year as they heavily research genetics of parents for strengths and weaknesses on both sides physical and genetic weaknesses and diseases. Most breeds have known weaknesses that can be tested for, and affected animals are not bred if they have shown to have blindness n some breeds, cardiac or genetic issues in other breeds. Like falconi syndrome, wobblers syndrome, cardiac issues among others, they vary by breed. Responsible breeders are often active in activities of clubs with their breed. They raise litters in their houses, NOT in cages or pens in a garage filled with boxes with at leaset the mother, (father might not be available if not owned by them or being shown.) if you ask to see parents and they are hesitant or bring her out and caution not to pet her or other adults, run the other way. They spend a great deal of time socializing all puppies and like serious buyers to ask questions, they will ask you plenty as well, if eager to sell pups without asking you questions again run the other way. I am not in the show world, and don’t have a dog yet but know info from friends and contacts that are good breeders. Good breeders
      Will be supporting you and there for all and any questions for the life of your dog.

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        March 24, 2012 9:51 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I have seen responsibile breeders advertise on the web and in the classifieds, maybe not every litter or often but I have seen it. I have seen a very well known big breeder of many champion show dogs advertise in the classifieds. I am not trying to speak against them but face it, when they run out of people they know to have a pup the rest of the world is suddenly good enough

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          March 26, 2012 5:43 pmPosted 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The BUSINESS of selling animals is the BUSINESS of selling animals. Semantics does nothing to change the situation. We have thousands of homeless pets wishing for homes. IF you love animals, paticularly dogs, that should be all it takes to stop you from breeding them so that the homeless can have homes. If you continue to breed one litter or one hundred litters, you are in the BUSINESS of selling animals and need to get a job and stop living off dogs.

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            December 13, 2012 3:23 amPosted 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You people seem to forget, not everyone WANTS a shelter dog. Some people WANT a purebred puppy from a breeder that specializes in that breed of dog. For someone to say that it’s not fair to homeless dogs that breeders get to sell dogs to people when shelter dogs need the homes. Who said that if someone couldn’t get a purebred puppy from a breeder they would suddenly go with a nine times out of ten MUTT from a shelter? You people need to stop with the “take THIS or else” attitude when it comes to animals. If people in this country were to “stop breeding” so shelter dogs could have the homes, I would just import my puppy. I’ve been to shelters in my area. 80 percent of them are mixed with some type of pit bull. Most of them are there for a REASON. And it’s not that same old excuse people give for dropping their dogs off,…(we’re moving and can’t keep him). The dogs are mostly there because they’re destructive, aggressive, hyper and in serious need of strong training or retraining, it’s crapping everywhere or lifting it’s leg to everything, or it wont shut up for two minutes straight. NO THANK YOU. Plus you can’t tell what you’re getting with a shelter dog. You can’t tell breed traits or genetics. How would you like to invest a few hundred (which is what shelters charge now to adopt a mutt) in a puppy only to find out it’s got so much aggressive dog in it’s blood you have to wind up taking it back for behavior problems later because you didn’t know it was in it’s blood and instinct to be territorially aggressive and go after smaller animals? If you wanted that specific breed you could have gone to a breeder that specializes in that breed or to a breeder to avoid it. You are stuck with what you get from a shelter. So don’t down or knock those who CHOOSE to seek out a source for their family pet other than someone else’s hand-me-downs. If you want a shelter dog, fine. GO get one. But don’t force everyone to have that be their only option when it comes to bringing a puppy home.

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    March 22, 2012 12:01 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Tina

    GREAT! NEWS!

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    March 22, 2012 12:01 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Samantha

    Why on Earth would anyone buy a dog on FB? Or anywhere over the internet for that matter! Geesh! This is wonderful news!!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:02 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Marina

    Wonderful news

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    March 22, 2012 12:03 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Samantha
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    March 22, 2012 12:04 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Ramona

    yes fine line but glad to hear this none the less—in my opinion breeding dogs (or cats) for money is just wrong

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    March 22, 2012 12:06 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Veronica

    One small step for puppies/kittens, one large step for man

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  • March 22, 2012 12:08 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Stephanie

    it about time…idiots !!!!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:09 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Melissa

    Yeah! There are so many GREAT dogs in shelters that need forever homes. Please please go to a NO KILL shelter to find your pets, these animals deserve loving homes : )

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    March 22, 2012 12:09 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Linda

    How does FB plan on policing this?

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  • March 22, 2012 12:10 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Trude

    So sweet.:):):):):)

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    March 22, 2012 12:16 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Leah

    It’s really easy to tell the difference between a responsible breeder and a puppy mill. If they have many different breeds of puppies for sale, not just one or two, it’s a puppy mill. If they have puppies for sale constantly, it’s a puppy mill. If you can get a puppy shipped to you with no questions asked, it’s a puppy mill. If they have dozens of puppies listed at one time, it’s a puppy mill. If they don’t or won’t talk about the environment the puppies were raised in, the lineage of their parents, the socialization process they use, and whether they will take a dog back if you can no longer care for it… yes, it’s a puppy mill. Why a responsible breeder would try to sell on Facebook is beyond me.

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      March 24, 2012 9:43 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I think it is fine for a responsibile breeder to advertise on fb or the internet. Just because they do doesn’t mean they would sell to anyone. I have bought from breeders and was asked alot of questions before being approved. I have also bred and I do the same to potential families, I will not ship a puppy, the people adopting my puppy must come here, I ask lots of personal questions, not to be nosy but I want to be sure the potential family is a good fit, that they can afford decent food, a vet visit when needed. I want to know how many dogs they’ve had in the past and what happened to those dogs, if a family had a few dogs get hit my cars, sorry but your not a good fit, that tells me you don’t watch them very good, I want to know if they ever had to give up a dog and if so why. I want to know they have a fenced in area. I want a forever family who will love that puppy as much as I do. If an adopted family must give up a dog for any reason, I want to be notified because I will not let any of my puppies end up in shelters, I would foster until a permenant qualified family could be found. I am not a big breeder, only had 2 litters but it was a passion I always had. I found excellent homes for all because I didn’t just sell to anyone, I turned people down to adopt. I keep in touch often. I spent alot of money, alot of time raising those puppies, I will always worry about them and want nothing but the best

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  • March 22, 2012 12:17 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Theresa

    I thought they stopped this a long time ago!!

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    March 22, 2012 12:19 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Rose

    Awesome news! :+)

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    March 22, 2012 12:20 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Katie

    Awesome!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:21 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Liisa

    Leah, you forgot if you buy it from a pet store, it’s probably from a puppy mill. Adopt!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:21 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Liisa

    There are thousands of dogs being killed every day in shelters all over the world. Don’t buy a dog! Adopt a dog!

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      March 25, 2012 3:51 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      either way your buying a dog, shelters call it adopting and the money they charge is for what they spent on the dog, it’s not a donation when they tell you how much your going to pay. You also adopt from a breeder, they also spent alot of money taking care of, feeding, vets their dogs. Some breeders may charge more than a shelter, a shelter gets donations of items, ( I have given many times to shelters, blankets, dog food,etc.) , a breeder doesn’t usually get donations

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        March 26, 2012 5:44 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You are living in la la land.
        A shelter or rescue did NOT bring the dog into the world. A shelter or rescue takes a dog, quite possibly bred by YOU, and tries to save it’s life by finding it a home before it’s time is up. Capiche?

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          March 27, 2012 3:00 pmPosted 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I think all you people need to focus on the puppy mills and people who don’t take care of their dogs and cats, that let them run around and keep getting pregnant then put up signs “free kittens or puppies” those are most likely the poor animals ending up in rescues. There are actually some people out there that breed that do really care, it takes alot of moeny and time and work to care for a litter of dogs or cats

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    March 22, 2012 12:22 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Gillian

    good

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  • March 22, 2012 12:22 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Liisa

    If you’re really snobby enough to require it to be a specific breed, there are breed specific rescues all over the place, too.

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      March 22, 2012 1:33 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Tell it! petfinder.com, petango.time, petsmart charities… The list is endless! There is no excuse for anyone to buy a dog.

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    March 22, 2012 12:23 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Lori

    Where’s the freakin’ “LOVE” button?!?

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    March 22, 2012 12:23 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Mickita

    GREAT NEWS!!!!

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    March 22, 2012 12:24 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Kay

    Unfortunately there is no way they can police it. And there is little money in breeding – if it is done correctly.

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    March 22, 2012 12:25 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Leigh

    They shouldn’t allow sales of animals at all. Animals are lving, breathing creatures, not merchandise to be bought and sold online.

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    March 22, 2012 12:26 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Chrissie

    No animals should be sold on FB

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    March 22, 2012 12:30 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Leah

    @Liisa I wanted a French Bulldog and ended up with an American Pit Bull Terrier, haha. I never thought I’d want a big dog but he’s such a big baby and worth saving. I don’t have a problem with responsible breeding because it’s pretty limited… and quite expensive. But I think most people would be better off adopting a dog, especially for a common breed. I mean, do you really need to buy a Labrador from a breeder? Mixed breeds are great too. I love the crazy combinations you can get. Ever seen a Pit/Bassett mix? I have!

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  • March 22, 2012 12:40 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Vanessa

    Good! Now, to work on Craigslist…

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    March 22, 2012 12:40 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Bonnie, why would you care about FB doing this? No truly reputable breeder would EVER sell puppies on Facebook!

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      March 22, 2012 1:27 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There are no truly reputable breeders. 4 million dogs and cats die every year in our country simply because there are not enough homes for these animals. No one should be allowing their pets to make more pets. Until every dog and cat currently in shelter or rescue finds a home, every human being should take the appropriate measure to ensure that no more dogs or cats are born. Spay/Neuter! Adopt! NEVER shop for a pet!

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        March 22, 2012 1:48 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Casper

        this must be Patty O’Frederickson…spreading her PETA delusions.

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          March 22, 2012 3:12 pmPosted 2 years ago
          Bonnie

          THANK YOU Casper!

          just where have i said that? i DO care- i applaud it. HOWEVER my point is this: HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GO ABOUT DISTINGUISHING “PUPPY MILL” FORM REPUTABLE BREEDER? WHAT CRITERIA ARE THEY USING? i see NO information as what their “measurment ” fo rthis is.

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            March 22, 2012 4:59 pmPosted 2 years ago
            Petfriendly1

            There’s no such thing as reputable breeder. No one should be advertising that they have puppies to sell.

  • March 22, 2012 12:42 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Faye

    My definition is treated horribly.

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  • March 22, 2012 12:42 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Nancy

    ADOPT! Humane Societies and Shelters are bursting at the seams. . . We’ve always adopted and these dogs are the BEST!!!! Especially the older (housebroken and out of the chewing phase) ones.

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  • March 22, 2012 12:45 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Jody

    I would LOVE to see a Pit/Basset mix! I have Lab/Bassets :) they are the cutest!

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      March 22, 2012 7:41 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Bonnie

      WHY?? _That_ is just encouraging irresponsible breeding. “Oh they would be so cute!” is NOT a valid reason to be breeding anything.

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        March 23, 2012 12:24 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Erika

        What Bonnie said. Breeding is a serious thing, and should be seriously thought out.

        I really hate the whole “designer dog” thing, on a side-rant. Unless you’re working to produce something unique, and breeding for certain traits to eventually establish a new breed….don’t do it.

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  • March 22, 2012 12:51 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Eunice

    I agree with the comment of there being a “fine line between responsible breeders and puppy mills.” As a responsible breeder, the right thing will just come naturally. It’s what is in the heart, not a law, that drives a responsible breeder.

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  • March 22, 2012 12:58 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Kirsten

    Indeed!

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    March 22, 2012 1:02 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Teri

    It is about time someone does something to try to stop the outrageous conditions in which dogs are bred and sold…

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    March 22, 2012 1:02 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Jeri

    I’m for getting the “responsible” breeders to stop breeding dogs. If you’re responsible, you’d know how many dogs die every day, week, month, year because they are unwanted. What’s responsible about bringing MORE dogs into the world when there are so many being killed?

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      March 22, 2012 1:28 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Amen! No one should be breeding while 4 million cats and dogs die every year simply because there are not enough homes for them.

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  • March 22, 2012 1:18 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Candy

    Awesome. A victory for puppy mill dogs.

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    March 22, 2012 1:20 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Kay

    Jeri, you may as well stop people for having children too, as 1/4 of them will turn out to be criminals and drug addicts.

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    March 22, 2012 1:21 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Kay

    Oh, and if you stop responsible breeders, you would kill off every single breed. Common sense, it’s almost like a super power these days.

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      March 22, 2012 1:30 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So what if there are no more specific breeds? Humans created the breed concept. Dogs were not meant to fit into cookie cutter standards. They were meant to be dogs. If every last dog in the U.S. was a mutt I’d be happy, and so would all REAL animal lovers.

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        March 22, 2012 3:49 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Erika

        Oh, here we go. The “real” thing, which essentially means “only those who are exactly as I am and agree with me”. People like you only create more problems, Patty. Instead of seeking to create conflict and spread hate between animal lovers……how about instead we realize our common love and passion is a powerful tool for good? We should be fighting together, tooth and nail, against animal cruelty such as puppy mills. We should be educating people about the responsibility of having a pet, and encourage people to think long and hard before bringing one into their life. We should be encouraging people to consider their family and lifestyle before bringing home a dog, because it DOES matter.

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        March 23, 2012 11:06 amPosted 2 years ago
        Petfriendly

        True story.

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    March 22, 2012 1:43 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Lisa

    keep it up!!!!

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  • March 22, 2012 2:05 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Best news!

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  • March 22, 2012 2:11 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Norma

    Thank you, Facebook!

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  • March 22, 2012 2:37 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Patricia

    I sometimes wish that puppies could remain puppies. They are so darn cute.

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    March 22, 2012 2:41 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Kristen Kaminski

    The petition that brought this problem to the ASPCA’s attention. Thank you to everyone that signed and shared, petitions make a difference here is proof!! When we all speak up for the animals people start to listen. We cannot be ignored!! Speak up for the voiceless fight against animal cruelty!!

    http://www.change.org/petitions/facebook-stop-supporting-animal-cruelty-by-letting-people-sell-dogs-on-your-site

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    March 22, 2012 3:41 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Tamara A

    Finally!

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    March 22, 2012 6:22 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Donna

    Yay!

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  • March 22, 2012 8:04 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Mary

    Fantastic news! Let’s keep it going.

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    March 22, 2012 8:24 pmPosted 2 years ago
    kat

    People, start using our own brain!!! There IS a different between breeders and mass producers and it is a big different!!! It´s all the same all over this world, people put their brain into trash and start babbling after some “animal rights groups” with dubious methods…
    The problem is not that responsible breeders breed dogs, the problem is that people buy a pet, not thinking about that it will be adult one day, not cute anymore, with needs. Then they are bored or overwhelmed and throw their pets away like trash. This is what fills the animal asylums! It´s the people who do not neuter their pets – all over the world! It´s the people who buy from puppymills because they were to lazy to inform themselves how to find a responsible breeder! It´s the puppymill producers who make money with those stupid people!
    It´s ok to adopt a pet from a shelter like it is ok to adopt a pet from a breeder. And all in all it´s the same, you adopt and BUY a pet from a shelter as well as from a breeder. The adoption fee is nothing but money you pay, so stop saying you adopt a shelter pet and buy a breeders pet! It´s the same! Stop thinking black and white, see the different grey between! Not every breeder is a bad one and not every society that calls itsself an animals protector is a good one! Go the way between (responsible breeders and shelters) and not the way of extremes (puppy mills and “animal protectors” that want to exterminate every dog or cat breed)!
    I know it will not change anything but allthough i write this down in hope it will open someones eyes…

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      March 26, 2012 7:57 amPosted 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      well said

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    March 23, 2012 12:10 amPosted 2 years ago
    karen saucedo

    It appears my earlier post, athough containing no 4-letter words, went “missing” from this site. Someone is scared of change.

    BUT, anyway, I’ll say it again. The comments here about some breeders being good while the puppy mills are bad is ridicuous Pro-breeder PR. The claim that a breed will go extinct without breeders is silly (is that a nice enough word?) and false (another careful choice of wording, just for you).

    Dog breeding is a business with one focus: breeding a selling a PRODUCT.

    There are a couple of loud pro-breeding posters here (ONE in particular) who want to push the message that breeding doesn’t add to the problem. That is patently ludicrous. DO THE MATH.

    For every dog sold, one sitting homeless in a shelter WILL die. The math is as basic as it is irrefutable. You can complain and have my comments pulled again because they may put a dent in your pocketbook, or, your pride. Makes no difference. Your point of view is flawed and your claims are FALSE. Breeders ADD to the overpopulation problem by adding to the population.

    Capiche?

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      March 23, 2012 11:01 amPosted 2 years ago
      erika

      Actually, it seems like multiple comments by different people are missing. The website seems to get wonky like that, from what I can see.

      First and foremost, here’s one thing you don’t seem to be considering. Claiming that “every dog sold” steals a home from a dog in a shelter is false because it runs on the belief that person would just as soon walk into a shelter and adopt. Not everyone would consider a dog from a shelter, and there are many reasons for that. Yeah, some are because of a negative attitude about “mutts” or shelter dogs. Those folks, I find, tend to be the ones that treat dogs like an accessory and follow trends when it comes to breed. (Which adds to the issue.) On the other hand, one poster already mentioned they ended up going to a breeder because they could not find the type of dog they were looking for in a shelter or rescue.

      Likewise, my former sister in law would never go to a shelter or rescue for a dog because of the reason she has dogs. Each of her dogs is a combination of sled team, therapy dog, and show dog. She has one breeder she goes to for all her dogs, and they are partners in all the things she does.

      There are also breeders who focus on producing working dogs. These dogs are highly specialized, and each breed is unique to their purpose. Someone who is going directly to a breeder and working with them long-term to supply their working dogs is probably NOT going to ever go to a shelter to adopt a dog.

      So the claim really is false. In an ideal world, anyone and everyone would simply walk into an adoption center and bring home a needy, adult dog. But in reality, we have to realize that option is not right for everyone. Assuming if you just make people stop breeding, those people will just turn around and adopt is naive. If that isn’t what they need, or what they feel comfortable doing, they aren’t going to do it.

      My personal experiences with 20+ years of dog ownership have shown me that for my family, adoption has not been a good option for us. It simply has not worked out well for us (though our rescued boy is doing well). On the other hand, our dogs from breeders have turned out extremely well. As such, I’m simply going to have to go with what has yielded the best results for us. Everyone needs to genuinely look at themselves and their household, and figure out what is best for them. Honestly, the pet population issue is best addressed by people being more responsible about their pets. ONLY a limited number of good quality dogs should ever breed, and all others should be spayed or neutered.

      People need to microchip their pets, so they can be found easily. They need to put considerable thought into bringing home a pet, instead of spur-of-the-moment decisions that result in abandoned pets. People also need to a dog is not an accessory to change with the trends, it is not a “until it isn’t cute anymore”, it is not a “until I get bored”, and it is HARD WORK that they need to be certain they can put in.

      End of story.

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        March 23, 2012 11:08 amPosted 2 years ago
        Petfriendly

        There is a big difference between a person who owns a dog and person who is a guardian of a dog. Owners don’t care that there still exist breeders. Guardians ADOPT their furbabies because they care about animals and the state of overcrowded rescues and shelters.

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          March 23, 2012 11:46 amPosted 2 years ago
          Erika

          Yawn.

          Again, we see the attempts to create an Us vs Them.

          I find it so funny that you cry about reputable breeders, when…..you realize the overpopulation comes from puppy mills, backyard breeding, and mutts. You realize if the good breeders that care stop breeding completely, it won’t do anything to help the problem? We’d still have strays reproducing, we’d still have people who can’t be bothered to spay or neuter, and we’d still have idiots who mass produce without any concern for the quality of the dogs.

          Spay/neuter programs are a godsend. So, too, are programs that educate people about being responsible for their animals. Breeders and breed clubs that sponsor or run breed rescues are an awesome thing. The responsible breeder is an ideal model for how things should be: carefully planned litters that focus on quality, placed into good homes with lifelong support from the breeder, whether that be advice or taking the animal back in worst case.

          I am pro-responsibility. I am not pro-conflict or pro-blame-everyone.

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        March 23, 2012 10:04 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Karen Saucedo

        You made my point for me, Erika, thank you.

        Some people WOULDN’T choose to adopt a dog from a shelter. Why? Because breeders give them an option.

        WE want to take away that option.

        I don’t need to go any further. What is missing from this conversation is not understanding, it is the DESIRE to understand because you lack the compassion to care enough to try.

        I have NOTHING further to say to you. You’ve become a ‘spot’ on my week.

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    March 23, 2012 11:05 amPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yo, Bonnie. I already told you I don’t support HSUS or PETA. I support local reputable nonprofit animal welfare organizations and I support companion animals who have no voice when their humans force them to pop out more puppies and kittens that are at huge risk of being euthanized because there are not enough humans available to adopt these God creations. Breeders are playing God. Karma is around the corner, Bons.

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    March 23, 2012 5:27 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    some of you say that people shouldn’t sell dogs because they are living things, I thought most rescues charge a pretty good fee nowadays, is that not the same. And what about people, you have to pay alot to adopt a child, is that considered selling a human. There are a lot of children out there that are homeless, should everyone be adopting children instead of having their own just because there are alot out there homeless.

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      March 23, 2012 11:24 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Karen Saucedo

      Anonymous….have you considered actually self-educating? Rescues request fees to vaccinate and neuter pets. Many cities will not release an animal unless it has had these things done. Where would the money come from? Rescues feed, house, provide medical care, maintain webistes, and provide veterinary care. In addition, many transport the pet to an adoptive home out of state. (I sponsor all expenses, myself, for these animals because I CARE). Anyway, the basic $75 to adopt a dog is hardly $500-$1800 for a purebred dog. And, as we are trying to point out…but it’s like talking to the WALL here…if you adopt a dog, IT HAS A HOME. Ever thought of that? Giving a home to a wishing, hoping sad little dog sitting in a shelter? As to children: YES, they SHOULD be adopting instead of having their own. I detest most people I meet and the thought of them breeding another one of themselves is really unpalatable. But, more to YOUR point: People have the option to control their breeding. They may not excercise that option, but they have it. Homless dogs don’t. WE HUMANS ARE THE PROBLEM. WE NEED TO STEP UP AND FIX THE PROBLEM. WE CAN ARGUE ALL DAY BUT IT DOESN’T CHANGE THE FACTS. THE PRO-BREEDERS HERE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR POCKET BOOKS. THEY TOOK THIS ARTICLE AS A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO LAMBAST MILLS AND SING PRAISES TO THE BREEDER. **NO PRAISE IS DUE** IN A WORLD ADRIFT WITH HOMELESS ANIMALS, ADDING LITTERS IS CRIMINAL. IT MAY NOT BE ON THE BOOKS (YET) BUT MOST OF US WITH **HEARTS** UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS. YOU NEED TO WALK THROUGH A SHELTER AND SIT AND LOOK INTO THE EYES OF A COUPLE OF THOSE DOGS AND TRY TO SEE WHAT I’M TRYING TELL YOU ABOUT.

      Now, this really is my last comment. Erika Birk will be wanting to talk and I just can’t take any more of her drivvel.

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        March 24, 2012 10:53 amPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Last time I checked the adoption fees were like a few hundred not $75. Anyway, I do feel for those shelter animals, I have adopted a few myself, one was great one wasn’t but I kept him til he was 12 yrs old and tried even though he bit a few people I didn’t put him down, I took care of him til he got real sick and died. I took him, he was my responsibilty til the end. Your never going to change everyone to your thinking, some will adopt rescues, thats great but some prefer a certain kind of dog and that is their choice , some prefer to get as puppies and they have a right to. Something needs to be done about al these unwanted animals but people here seem to be directing their anger at breeders. Not all breeders are puppy mills, not all breders are in it for the money, it’s not all breeders fault there are homeless dogs, go after the people like puppy mills that breed 10 diff kinds of dogs, go after the people that get dogs and don’t take care of them and let them run loose and get pregnant that result in these unwanted dogs, go after the people that abuse dogs, I think it’s great people adopt these unwanted rescue dogs but I also think people have a right to make a choice. Not everyone in this world will agree on everything, stopping responsible breeders from breeding will not result in all homeless dogs having a home,

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    March 24, 2012 9:27 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I think some people are cheap, they want a purebred but don’t want to pay so they buy from these puppy mills because the puppies are cheaper. If more people would save their money and buy a well raised animal from a breeder who cares about her animals and the puppy mills had no one to buy theirs they may not stop but may slow down and not breed as often. Everyone here says don’t shop, it’s not that ,it’s do your homework, know where your puppy is coming from, do your research, go visit, there is no need to have a puppy shipped. I see too many people blame a puppy mill for maybe their sick puppy, try blaming yourself for being lazy and not doing any research. The people here who try to force people to their way, they aren’t putting you down for getting a rescue pet why must put them down becasue they want a certain pet. Unfortunitley we will never stop the irrisponsible people who let their animals run loose and get pregnant so there will always be unwanted pets, those are the people you should be fighting against

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      March 25, 2012 3:13 pmPosted 2 years ago
      Erika

      I wish I could like your comment. Ultimately, I think the most important step each of us can take towards the issue of unwanted pets is to honestly and truly do considerable pondering before taking the step towards bringing an animal into our lives.

      The majority should be adopting, because they can just as easily find exactly what they are looking for from a shelter or rescue. Think long and hard about what you are really looking for, and why. When looking at specific breed, I think whether you go the rescue or breeder route truly does depend on the potential issues present in that breed and whether or not you TRULY need a puppy.

      Does the breed have serious health issues that a breeder can and always SHOULD test and certify against? Then you may wish to go that route, so you know your (for example) Cavalier King Charles Spaniel is from a line free from heart problems. If the issue is one concerning temperament, such can occur in the American Pitbull Terrier, you may be best served by adopting a dog older than 2 years of age, since genetically-caused aggression issues emerge at that point.

      Research is your best friend. Do it, look thoroughly at all options (shelter, breed rescue, breeder) and consider them all. When considering a particular breed, do your homework. Talk to owners and to breeders, to really get a sense of the full picture. A good breeder will more than happily provide you with all the information, and honestly help you evaluate if that breed would even be right for you. They should be able to direct you to the local branch of a Breed Club, which usually links into a breed rescue.

      Make sure EVERYONE in the household is on board. And seriously, if you are in an unstable point in your life (starting or finishing college, beginning a family, ect) reconsider bringing home an animal. Also realize that because of Breed-Specific Legislation and discrimination by Homeowners/Renters insurance, some breeds may be more difficult to take with you should you need to move. The AKC works with some insurance companies to deal with this, so consider investing in training classes so your dog can become Canine Good Citizen certified.

      And unless you have spent over a decade researching/working with the breed, and have a strong working understanding of genetics….there is absolutely NO REASON to even consider breeding for an instant. Spay or neuter, and leave it up to the few folks that truly know what they are doing and are prepared to invest the time, money, and knowledge into bettering the breed.

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        March 25, 2012 4:41 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        your right Erika, people should think long and hard before they take a pet, they are a lifetime commitment, not to be just given away or abandoned. Whenever my family has taken a dog in, it has been for the life of that dog, we have never ever given one away, we’ve loved them and took care of them til the end. I was not talking at all above about adoption but more about puppy mills, I think people who adopt are great people, I have done it myself, but for some to think that we all should do it is wrong, it’s not for everyone, we all have choices and decide what is best for us. Do I prefer to have a certain breed, yes I do. I don’t like seeing all those animals homeless but I didn’t put them there and I can only help so many. As far as breeders testing, yes it’s good to apoint but people have to understand that there is only so much you can do, no one can guarantee a healthy pet forever, parents can be fine but still have a puppy with defects just like 2 healthy human parents can have a child with disabilities. They do there best but stuff happens

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          March 25, 2012 5:25 pmPosted 2 years ago
          Erika

          I got that, yeah. And I agree completely with you. Adoption is the best option for most people, and is awesome. But our needs are different, and for some people adopting from a shelter or rescue simply isn’t what will be right for them. And ultimately, making certain the dog you bring home is right for you is what will help to ensure a long and happy life together.

          And you’re absolutely right, you cannot be 100% certain of anything in life. While a good breeder can and will do their best, there can always be a chance of something slipping through. For example, there are conditions that cannot be diagnosed until the animal is a certain age. Genetics are a sneaky thing, and even with healthy parents a recessive trait could emerge that could not be tested for immediately. That doesn’t happen often, but there is a chance.

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        March 26, 2012 3:27 pmPosted 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Erika,

        You keep skirting the issue …. why don’t you admit that you’re a BREEDER?

        You keep mimicking other people’s comments about responsibility…but you skirt that issue as well. “Consider a long time…” What, consider adopting or buying WHILE pets are being bred and born…into a world of pet overpopulation?

        DOUBLESPEAK.

        You want to sound concerned but if you REALLY were, there would not be a single sentence in your comments that supports breeding in any way. Your concern is obviously that if you can’t breed dogs, you might have to get a job.

        You

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    April 25, 2012 11:51 pmPosted 2 years ago
    Tracey_S...caboolture qld

    how the hell can anyone control animals sold on facebook market place…it’s a stupid rule made for those pompas idiots to look good. you all get excited for no reason.
    why breed when there are thousands of animals being killed everyday, because stupid people cant / or wont look after them…adopt from a respectful shelter or your local council. or accept a pet that is free..lots of people cant take pets if the have to move. as home owners wont let people rent with pets…

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    December 13, 2012 3:39 amPosted 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Another point I don’t think “some ” of you have considered is the FACT that most shelter dogs are somebody’s PETS they don’t want anymore and not the unsold offspring from breeders looking dfor somewhere to ditch their left-overs. Next, the puppies and dogs flooding the rescues and shelters are dogs being bred by people who are simply letting their pets accidentally get pregnant and not from ANY type of BREEDER. It’s the idiot that let their female in heat outside in the yard while the other idiot next door let their unneutered male off the leash to visit her. Then the owner of the female sits back and goes, “Damn this dog! Now what am I gonna do with 9 damn puppies?! I’ll just drop them off at the shelter” problem solved. THAT’S where the majority of those shelter dogs come from. Because if they all came from BREEDERS or the result of BREEDERS, you wouldn’t have so few purebred dogs gracing those places and more mixed bred mutts there. The reason there are more mutts in shelters is because they bred on their own as the direct result of IRRESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS and not irresponsible BREEDERS.

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